Entropy and causality used as a proof claim for God’s existence

Just Another Version of the Kalam Cosmological Brain Diarrhea

With More Brain Diarrhea

Matt, can you not comprehend that making another version of an argument completely debunked over 500 years ago, is self-defeatist? You can never undebunk a completely debunked argument. Transliterating and adding to it only makes you look stupider.

by Matt Slick | Dec 9, 2008 | Atheism, Secular Issues

The second law of thermodynamics states that the amount of energy in a system that is available to do work is decreasing. Entropy increases as available energy decreases. In other words, the purely natural tendency of things is to move toward chaos, not order; and available energy necessary for work is lost (mostly as heat) in this process. Eventually, the universe will run down, and all life and motion will cease because all the energy that exists will be, more or less, evenly distributed so that no work can be performed and no life can exist. This is the natural tendency of all things. Batteries run down, machines break, buildings crumble, roads decay, living things die, etc. Left to the natural state, all things would eventually cease to function.

The universe is not infinitely old because it has not “run down.”
1. If the universe were infinitely old, it would have reached a state where all usable energy was gone.
2. But, we are not in this state; therefore, the universe is not infinitely old and must have had a beginning.
Because the universe had a beginning, it is not infinite in size.
1. It would require an infinite amount of time to become infinite in size. Since the universe had a beginning, it has not had an infinite amount of time to expand; therefore, it is finite in size.
All events have causes.
1. There cannot be an infinite regress of events because that would mean the universe was infinitely old.
  1. We’ve already established that the universe cannot be infinitely old.
  2. If it were infinitely old, the universe would be in a state of unusable energy, which it is not.
  3. If it were infinitely old, the universe would be infinitely large, which it is not.
Since the universe is finite and had a beginning and there cannot be an infinite number of regressions of causes to bring it into existence, there must be a single uncaused cause of the universe.

A single uncaused cause of the universe must be greater in size and duration than the universe it has brought into existence.
1. Otherwise, we have the uncaused cause bringing into existence something greater than, or equal to, itself.
Any cause that is natural to the universe is part of the universe.
1. An event that is part of the universe cannot cause itself to exist.
2. Therefore, there must be an uncaused cause outside the universe.
An uncaused cause cannot be a natural part of the universe, which is finite.
1. An uncaused cause would be infinite in both space and time since it is greater than which it has caused to exist.
An uncaused cause would be separate from the universe.
1. Being separate from the universe, which was caused to be, it would not be subject to the laws of the universe since it existed independent of the universe and its laws.
2. This would mean that entropy need not be required of the uncaused cause.

This uncaused cause is supernatural.

By supernatural, it is meant completely ‘other’ than the universe and is not the product of it.

This uncaused cause must be incredibly powerful to bring the universe into existence.

The bible teaches that God-Thing is uncaused, is not part of the universe, created the universe, and is incredibly powerful.
1. God-Thing’s existence (in christinsanity) is not an event but a state.
2. Psalm 90:2 says that God-Thing is God-Thing without a beginning.
3. This means that God-Thing is uncaused.
Therefore, the God-Thing of the bible is the uncaused cause of the universe.

MY Turn

With this pile of horse hoowhee, I am going to give True Logic judgment on each statement. IOW, a True False answer. I require that Matt Slick perform True Research to find out why. Answers that are neither/both, are listed as Partial.

However, I do know this. Matt has absolutely no clue about Thermodynamics. All that he knows is what he has read on other Religitard WWW sites. Some of his Brain Diarrhea is partially correct, but ultimately Matt is still a Thermodynamics moron.

All below answers are given from what little knowledge I possess and can recall without having to search me library or WWW. If it is that simple for me, why not you?

His Paragraph

The second law of thermodynamics states that the amount of energy in a system that is available to do work is decreasing.
- False
Entropy increases as available energy decreases.
- False
In other words, the purely natural tendency of things is to move toward chaos, not order; and available energy necessary for work is lost (mostly as heat) in this process.
- False. However, “available energy necessary for work is lost (mostly as heat) in this process” is True, but since the first part is False, ultimately, the answer is False.
Eventually, the universe will run down, and all life and motion will cease because all the energy that exists will be, more or less, evenly distributed so that no work can be performed and no life can exist.
- False
This is the natural tendency of all things.
- Partial
Batteries run down, machines break, buildings crumble, roads decay, living things die, etc.
- Except living things, all others you listed are human made. Nothing humans can make will last very long. Not due to entropy, but due to weathering. Usage. Wear-Tear. Besides, everything changes through time.
Left to the natural state, all things would eventually cease to function.
- False

His Ordered List Unordered

The universe is not infinitely old because it has not “run down.”
- False
If the universe were infinitely old, it would have reached a state where all usable energy was gone.
- False
But, we are not in this state; therefore, the universe is not infinitely old and must have had a beginning.
- False
Because the universe had a beginning, it is not infinite in size.
- False
It would require an infinite amount of time to become infinite in size.
- False
Since the universe had a beginning, it has not had an infinite amount of time to expand; therefore, it is finite in size.
- False
All events have causes.
- False
There cannot be an infinite regress of events because that would mean the universe was infinitely old.
- False
We’ve already established that the universe cannot be infinitely old.
- False
If it were infinitely old, the universe would be in a state of unusable energy, which it is not.
- False
If it were infinitely old, the universe would be infinitely large, which it is not.
- False
Since the universe is finite and had a beginning and there cannot be an infinite number of regressions of causes to bring it into existence, there must be a single uncaused cause of the universe.
- False
A single uncaused cause of the universe must be greater in size and duration than the universe it has brought into existence.
- False
Otherwise, we have the uncaused cause bringing into existence something greater than, or equal to, itself.
- False
Any cause that is natural to the universe is part of the universe.
- False
An event that is part of the universe cannot cause itself to exist.
- False
Therefore, there must be an uncaused cause outside the universe.
- False
An uncaused cause cannot be a natural part of the universe, which is finite.
- False
An uncaused cause would be infinite in both space and time since it is greater than which it has caused to exist.
- False
An uncaused cause would be separate from the universe.
- False
Being separate from the universe, which was caused to be, it would not be subject to the laws of the universe since it existed independent of the universe and its laws.
- False
This would mean that entropy need not be required of the uncaused cause.
- False
This uncaused cause is supernatural.
- False
By supernatural, it is meant completely ‘other’ than the universe and is not the product of it.
- False
This uncaused cause must be incredibly powerful to bring the universe into existence.
- False
The bible teaches that God-Thing is uncaused, is not part of the universe, created the universe, and is incredibly powerful.
- False
God-Thing’s existence (in christinsanity) is not an event but a state.
- False
Psalm 90:2 says that God-Thing is God-Thing without a beginning.
- Inadmissable. !Evidence.
This means that God-Thing is uncaused.
- False
Therefore, the God-Thing of the bible is the uncaused cause of the universe.
- False

Well done Matt. You just proved you are a Cosmology retard. How does that make you feel? You know nothing about Cosmology. The little I understand, comprehend of Cosmology is infinitely greater than yours. Kind of like dividing by zero. Additionally, every last statement above is only unfounded, unsubstantiated, and downright retarded. As I have said to you, you know nothing about any science.

Chuck Norris Divides By Zero

Additionally, you neglected to mention that the Principles of Thermodynamics are ONLY applicable to CLOSED SYSTEMS. We do not know if the universe is a closed system. Not enough time. In fact, we shall never know. Us Humans will be a distant memory when the time comes for determining whether the universe is an open or closed system. Thus, only curiousity drives us to discover if there is an answer. And that is where one major difference makes science and religion unreconcilable. Science thrives on the Unknown, where religion is terrified of the Unknown. Another major difference is how science and religion discovers knowledge. Science discovers knowledge of True Reality. Religion only devises beLIEvable prevarications.

T…H…I…N…K…

— The Unknown Atheist

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